[cap-talk] phones as routers

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On 26/09/2007, at 14.46, Jed Donnelley wrote:

>On 9/26/2007 2:17 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
>> On 25/09/2007, at 22.58, John Carlson wrote:
>> 
>>> When are we going to be able to communicate from phone to phone (or  
>>> computer to computer) w/o going through a centralized capitalistic  
>>> service provider?
>> 
>> We do that already from 1995 with video-audio-chat programs, even over
>56k
>> modem lines. There are many many such programs that can be used for the
>> purpose. What we seek is a capability-protected video-audio-chat
program.
>> 
>> val
>
>I believe John was focusing on cell phone to cell phone,
>i.e. use of "citizen" owned ("mom and pop") wireless
>infrastructure (he can correct me).  The topic didn't
>seem particularly access control/capability focused
>as I noted in a private message to him.  Perhaps more
>appropriate for a net/comm. list, though sometimes
>its helpful to get people you know to comment on
>such things.

I noted that, but he also said computer to computer, so I think this is on
topic.

>
>To me what you seek ("a capability-protected
>video-audio-chat 'program'") is rather independent
>of the underlying communication infrastructure.

You are right.
At present what John seeks can be done over HAM radio links (well, not
video).
I am not criticizing, I am saying that communicating without going through
a centralized capitalistic  
service provider can be done, just not with cell phones, right now.

>
>--Jed