[cap-talk] Demonstration and engagement (was: If not God)

[Jed Donnelley]

On 4/9/2008 12:39 PM, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 10:07 -0700, Jed Donnelley wrote:
>> We have CapDesk, PLASH, Waterken, whatever is current in the
>> KeyKOS, EROS, CapROS, Coyotos thread, Polaris, Tahoe, SAML
>> assertions, BitFrost, the DARPA browser, and likely many others
>> I'm missing or otherwise inappropriately categorizing.
>>
>> Is there something essential in these demonstrations that's missing?
>> What additional demonstrations do we need?
> 
> None of these are demonstrations in the sense that I meant.
> They are demonstrations in the sense of "demo-ware".  What we
> need is a production-ready system.

NLTSS wasn't just a production "ready" system, it was a
production system for over 10 years.  As least I would
consider running production scientific computing on
a couple hundred million dollars of computing equipment
"production."  Do you have a different definition?  That
by itself didn't help as it was essentially invisible.  The
same could be said for other systems I expect (e.g. KeyKOS?).

Still, that was then and this is now.

I accept the point made that both demonstration and
engagement are needed.

Why don't you consider Tahoe "production ready"?
I could ask about others such as BitFrost, but I'm
most concerned about Tahoe because that's where I'm
focusing my test and eval time.

Are you suggesting that there are no capability based
systems available today that can benefit by engagement/
selling because there are none that are adequately
"production"?

--Jed  http://www.webstart.com/jed/