[cap-talk] top-to-bottom (cajaDesk at the top?)

[Ben Laurie]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Dave Chizmadia - GMail
<davechiz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve's comments reminded me of a stray question I had last
> week after Kevin Reid announced that he is working on an
> e-on-js implementation...
>
> Is anyone working on a capdesk-like environment in Caja?
>
> This would provide a rather powerful environment for
> browsing a web-based ocap graph. It would also be a
> compelling laboratory for experiments on ocap usability
> and abusability.

I've actually been musing about this myself. If anyone is both
competent and interested in working on it, get in touch with me!

>
> -DMC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Witham" <sw at tiac.net>
> To: <cap-talk at mail.eros-os.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [cap-talk] top-to-bottom (What sustained interest
> incapabilities)
>
>
>> >From: "Stiegler, Marc D" <marc.d.stiegler at hp.com>
>>>
>>>This would be a project equivalent to combining the Linux open
>>>source effort, the GNOME open source effort, a bunch of the separate
>>>device driver open source efforts, the Xwindows open source effort,
>>>and (since the browser is now a part of the trusted computing base)
>>>the Firefox open source effort.
>>
>> The new Palm Pre's UI is reportedly...HTML/CSS/Javascript, using the
>> Webkit browser.  So, scratch GNOME and X off anyway.  Well, not
>> really--
>> you do need some sort of UI discipline, but some redundancy is
>> withering away.
>>
>> & The Pre is from a company who everybody thought couldn't afford
>> any
>> software engineers anymore.
>>
>> A lot of UI work is about putting a nice face on the stuff
>> everybody's
>> used to.  If the idea is a groundshaking paradigm shift where a lot
>> of the
>> things we're used to doing are declared dangerous nonsense, then
>> maybe that
>> simplifies away a lot.  Leaving us with the problem of useable
>> security
>> of course!
>>
>> Back around 2000, wasn't Sun going to produce diskless workstations
>> based
>> on the Java Virtual Machine?  I kinda wondered at the time why
>> someone
>> didn't recode Unix in Java.  Another potential shrinkage although I
>> don't
>> know whether people are thoroughly happy with the JVM these days.
>> Of
>> course by Java I mean E the way people say C when they mean C++.
>>
>> Also I keep thinking people should settle on an interactive PDF  for
>> the
>> low-level screen stuff (don't know Quartz well enough to say whether
>> that's a good model).
>>
>> In the 1980s there was a paper called "My Accordion is Full of
>> Paper,"
>> saying that as a project progresses, there's a phase where you add
>> more
>> and more details, until some sort of synergizing or clarification
>> sets in,
>> whereupon the amount of detail starts to shrink again.  So, it's
>> like an
>> accordion filling up, then emptying out.  I haven't been able to
>> find
>> that paper or remember the authors.  Maybe that model applies to
>> tech
>> progress overall.
>>
>> Not really contradicting your point about the current state of the
>> art,
>> or the difficulty of squeezing that accordion, Marc.
>>
>>  --Steve
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