[cap-talk] "ACLs don't" paper rejected from Oakland 09

[Mike Samuel]

2009/1/31 Steve Witham <sw at tiac.net>

> >From: David Wagner <daw at cs.berkeley.edu>
> >Some of my favorite papers I've ever
> >read have been "principles" papers.  For instance, the paper introducing
> >and arguing for the end-to-end principle is a classic systems paper that
> >has had significant influence, and certainly impressed me when I first
> >read it.  If I remember my anecdotes correctly, that paper was rejected
> >twice before being eventually accepted, and was controversial at the time.
>
> "Gotos considered harmful."  But a Gotos only comes around once in a
> great while.  You would have to be already well-respected & write a
> good screed.  Btw, Google only returns one hit for "ACLs considered
> harmful" http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~410/lectures/L32_Protection.pdf<http://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7E410/lectures/L32_Protection.pdf>
> and it's a page (about EROS) that's been taken down (but in Google's
> cache at the moment).
>
> >Tyler Close  wrote:
> >>  If it is true that it is hard to publish a paper that only evaluates
> >>  existing mechanisms, rather than proposing new mechanisms, that would
> >>  go a long way towards explaining why poor mechanisms survive and
> >>  thrive for so long in this field once they take hold.
>
> David:
>
> >They wanted to know what to do: who could they tell to
> >make sure the record gets corrected?  The answer is, often, nothing.
> >They didn't like that answer much, and I don't blame them, but that's
> >how it works.
>
> "It" being peer review for conferences and journals.  A mechanism that's
> meant to deal with the situation where
>     it's already hard to get something published (or onto a stage)
>     it's hard to attach a criticism to something already published
> so
>     it's easier to pre-filter than post-filter
>
> What you're saying is that the system itself discourages trying to
> use it for post-filtering.
>

Might a wiki-like annotation system that parallels citeseer help provide a
way to collect and disseminate corrections and criticisms on published
papers.


Tyler, you might write a survey of ACL-based errors in
> papers in that conference's recent proceedings.  Nyuk nyuk.
> Maybe find a paper that criticizes ACLs and plot error frequency for
> some number of years before and after that paper.
>





>
>  --Steve
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