[cap-talk] Definition of Authentication on wiki.erights.org

[Matej Kosik]

Hi Rob,

Rob Meijer wrote:
> On Sun, September 6, 2009 09:13, Matej Kosik wrote:
>> Rob Meijer wrote:
>>> I disagree. The validation of the authenticity and integrity properties
>>> of
>>> this object authenticate the object. This example thus shows that your
>>> definition is flawed.
>> I am glad that we know exactly why we disagree (not just that we
>> disagree).
>>
>> It seems to me that you equate `authentication' with a more general term
>> `verification'. I (and at least David-Sarah ?) distinguish between them.
>> If we already have the term `verification' there is no need to create
>> multiple synonyms for it and use them interchangingly. That's confusing.
>>
> 
> I do distinguish between authentication and validation, where it seems
> that authentication is a subset of the much broader term validation, just
> not the narrow 'identity centric' subset that you are defining.
> 
> It seems to me that 1 is a perfect definition for 'identification', not
> for authentication.
> 
>   validation > authentication (3) > identification (1)
> 
> (2 was just an other partially overlapping subset of 3, so lets further
> ignore my 2 and focus on Alan's 3 vs 1)

>From my part, the discussion could be ended by renaming

	http://wiki.erights.org/wiki/Authentication

to

	http://wiki.erights.org/wiki/Identification

Others may or need not object. I do not know.

But then I still remain confused what you mean by authentication (3).
Can you state that definition and:
- show that Alan's example fits it
- show how it is a superset of identification (1) ?

> 
> Where you feel that I am using authentication where the broader term
> validation should be used, I feel that you are using authentication where
> the more narrow term identification would be in place.

Sincerly
-- 
Matej Kosik