Java 1.3

[Marc Stiegler]

As another factoid about Windows and Java, all the Java developers at
Agorics do their Java development on Windows. This may be partly historical,
until recently the Java IDEs under Windows were more numerous, richer in
features, and higher in quality than the Linux IDEs (unless you are one of
the people who think Emacs is an IDE). Partly, though, it is not historical:
I have other tools on Windows that are just simply better than the Linux
counterparts, notably the Perforce frontend and Araxis Merge, which is wildy
better than reading diffs.

Furthermore, rephrasing one of Jonathan's observations, I think those IT
guys who have the rapid-turnaround problems are a potentially powerful
ingredient to E's future success. They bear a strong similarity to the IT
guys with rapid turnaround problems who made Perl a success.

Personally, I do E development on both Linux and Windows platforms. I do
more development on Windows simply because my Windows box is a laptop and is
more conveniently at-hand when I have spare time (my E development
environment is the Ebrowser written in E, a somewhat enhanced version of the
one currently shipping with E itself. Anyway, it runs equally well on
Windows and Linux). And if markm twiddles something I wrote, I always go to
the Windows box to merge his changes and my changes with Araxis.

--marcs

----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan S. Shapiro <shap@eros-os.org>
To: E Language List <e-lang@eros-os.org>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Java 1.3


> > However, is our counter-example significant to E?  I don't know.  If
> > corporations become very, very interested in security even for their
> > mainline business-to-business applications...
>
> Two comments. The first tantalizing, and I apologize. I've been working
with
> a group in Seattle to identify a space where things like E and EROS have
> unique leverage. Since we're still getting the pieces in place, I won't
say
> alot about it here, but suffice it to say that there is a trillion dollar
a
> year space that critically needs this type of technological underpinnings.
> More on this, I hope, in the next several weeks.
>
> Second, an observation about those under-appreciated IT programmers. Those
> folks work in a space where response time is everything and rough edges
are
> acceptable. The reason that many of them use VB has nothing to do with the
> quality of the language and everything to do with its support for rapid
> development. E also has the potential to provide this.
>
> One thing I'ld like to see somebody look at is providing an application
> framework for E that preserves security properties in such a way that
> programmers with no time and little in-depth knowledge can build more
secure
> applications then they can today. Any takers?
>
>
> shap
>