[E-Lang] draft statement of consensus
Mark S. Miller
Mon, 05 Feb 2001 22:44:57 -0800
At 09:24 PM Monday 2/5/01, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
>In my note, I suggested an example of an ACL-class system that may be useful
>(MLS). It hasn't been rebutted, and even MarkM seems to have agreed with it.
Actually, what I said was approximately that it looks like a promising and
challenging line of inquiry, but that I hadn't yet grokked it in its
fullness. (Or, for those that haven't read Stranger in a Strange Land, I
don't really understand it yet.) The rest of your message makes it clear to
me just how thoroughly I don't yet understand it, as well as how much I'd
like to. In my current level of ignorance of MLSish things, I'm not really
able to agree or disagree with much of your message.
It seems that if we can find a category distinction between the kinds of
issues you are here raising, and those that have occupied most of the
discussion, we may still state a clear consensus in the area where we seem
to have developed a joint understanding through argument, on the one hand,
and a clear qualifier regarding the MLSish area, on the other. As I still
don't grok MLS, I'll refrain from proposing how such a boundary might be
phrased. It would be great to summarize the current points of agreement
before we venture into a new area and lose our live shared context of the
current area. Even with a full email archive, this context would be hard to
To help me (and I suspect, others) understand MLSish things better, could
you paint a scenario outside of gov't secrecy where one might find these
mechanisms useful? Corporate secrecy would be fine, or whatever works.
It's just that with the standard gov't example, it's hard to, shall we say,
feel motivated to solve the problem.