[E-Lang] ERTP-aware MintMaker
Mark S. Miller
Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:51:28 -0800
At 06:49 AM Thursday 2/15/01, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
>Fostering an "us vs. them" mentality here is self
>defeating -- especially when the majority of them seem already to agree
>and are silent supporters of the method you advocate (*though* they want
>So I apologize for so completely misreading your note.
I think we're rapidly converging, but I think you're still misreading my
note. I never advocated lack of rigor. I like rigor. I think rigor is
good. Nothing in my note contradicts this. Earlier:
At 08:27 PM Wednesday 2/14/01, Jonathan S. Shapiro wrote:
>> If I had to choose, I'd take "open public" over "rigorous"
>> any day.
>I would not. The fact that a man proclaims over the radio that the sky
>is falling, or that a system is secure, does not make it true. I also
>want open and public, but rigorous and systematic is utterly necessary.
I said "If I had to chose". You claimed to disagree, and then said you
thought both were necessary. How does this disagree with what I said? I
suspect it's a symptom of the same misreading.
We probably do disagree over the priority of these two. From your note, if
you had to chose, I suspect you'd make the opposite choice. But as long as
you agree "open public" is necessary, I feel no need to argue this last point.