[E-Lang] The Granovetter Diagram in Russian, and more...

[Karp, Alan]

Sounds like my favorite story from the automatic translator demonstrated at
the 1964 Worlds Fair.  (Yes, I am old enough to have attended.)

It seems that they translated the phrase "The spirit is willing but the
flesh is weak." into Russian and back into English.  The result was only
slightly less strange than MarkM's result.  It came out "The vodka is strong
but the meat is rotten."  No joke.  The New York Times reporter was there
and wrote it up for the paper.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark S. Miller [mailto:markm@caplet.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:46 PM
> To: E Language Discussions
> Subject: [E-Lang] The Granovetter Diagram in Russian, and more...
> 
> 
> See http://www.computerra.ru/offline/2000/350/2681/ .
> 
> Anyone know how to translate?
> 
> Excerpts from Babelfish's attempt:
> 
> >However, all this it is necessary to create. " on the 
> fingers/pins " it is possible to erect one protocol, another, 
> the third, but to
> >  place their " production " on the flow (realizing the 
> dokumentarnyy digital of treyding [ 1 ] or injecting in the 
> mass order "
> >  smart- contracts " [ 2 ], for example) it will not succeed 
> without the serious theoretical base. 
> >
> >  Any attempt at the motion in this direction is 
> interesting. Most that moved from the attempts known to me to 
> create lecture
> >  for the record of kriptoprotokolov appears the project of 
> language E. 
> >
> >  To what this it is similar? [...]
> >
> >  E pretends, obviously, to large < greyek>l < / greek>- 
> orthodoxy, than
> >  LISP, if we judge by that ascending to l - 
> calculation/enumeration the as
> >  such line Of zhoule-Achtors, isolated with bright color. 
> >
> >  Achtors - this is experimental expansion l - 
> calculation/enumeration, created
> >  in MIT and Stanford at the beginning of the ninetieth for 
> the experiments
> >  with the " aktornoy " model collective calculations. 
> Actors - these are
> >  samodostatochnye participants in the calculations, who 
> interact by means of the asynchronous exchange of
> >  communications/reports, moreover a quantity and the 
> topology of interaction of actors in the system can 
> dynamically change 
> >   with 3, 4 ]. 
> >
> >  The aktornaya model of calculations, as such, found 
> development in the language Zhoule, developed into Agorichs, Inch. In
> >  the addition to the aktornoy model Zhoule " caught/tacked 
> " the idea of the sequential realization of mandate architecture in
> >  OS Of keyKOS (more known in Russia on its x86- clone with 
> the remarkable name YEROS)   [ 3 ]. In contrast to Achtors
> >  Zhoule is oriented to practical application with the 
> retention/maintaining of a strict verifiability of the model 
> of safety [ 5 ]. 
> >
> >  Zhoule, in turn, became model for E [ 6 ]. E combines the 
> formalisms: 
> >
> >  - the objective- oriented programming (abstraction and 
> composition); 
> >
> >  - the models of safety (, first of all, mandate) of 
> contemporary operating systems (control of the authorities of 
> processes); 
> >
> >  - financial cryptography (description of the cooperative 
> protocols of the transfer of the rights between the not entrusting to
> >  each other sides). 
> >
> >  Diagrams Of granovettera 
> >
> >  It is interesting that the developers take base metaphor 
> entirely from another region: in the
> >  beginning of the seventieth American sociologist Mark 
> Granovetter (Mark Granovetter)
> >  proposed to investigate the dynamics of the topology of 
> interpersonal relations with the aid
> >  of the simple model, which now is called the diagram Of 
> granovettera. Fig. 2 depicts the
> >  diagram Of granovettera, which fixes the simple fact: Anya 
> acquaints I fight with the
> >  faith/belief. 
> 
> 
>         Cheers,
>         --MarkM
> 
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